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Spi-nex
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posted October 28, 2005 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will be building my new street stock this winter and was wonduring what other guys do to make their chassis better than stock chassis? My first car was bone stock and I know a lot of the front runners have their rear ends tweaked and front geometry changed. So I was wonduring what are some things I can do?

I plan on racing on everything from a tight 1/4 mile to a big 5/8th mile.

I appreciate any suggestions and reasons on what you suggest. Thank You.

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dirtyboy58
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posted October 28, 2005 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dirtyboy58   Click Here to Email dirtyboy58     send a private message to dirtyboy58   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
best bet do alot of research my cars are tricked but for a certain type of track if you plan on running sevral tracks iwould stay netural and make changes according to track and conditions

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racer17j
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posted October 28, 2005 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racer17j   Click Here to Email racer17j     send a private message to racer17j   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote UIN: 54865418
do some searchs on here alot of good tips myself i would not put any lead in the rear it will help on the tight 1/4 but kill you on the 5/8 keep it square. search geometry#'s on here and build it safe thats the most important part

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Spi-nex
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posted October 29, 2005 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is what I was thinking of doing, let me know if I am on the right track or not:

For the front end:
1.) I was thinking of going with dropped spindles for an 1980 Impalla. That should raise the roll center, improve the camber gain and lower the car. Plus the Impalla spindles are stronger than the metric ones and will also bolt in with a stock ball joint for a metric chassis. Now I know that if I go that rout that I will need to move the lower control arm out about 3/4'' to improve the camber gain on the right side which isn't any biggie.

2.) Solid Bushings (replace the stock ones with the solids in the pivot points)

Rear End:
Now I heard that turning the rear end would help with side-bite and turning into the turn, but on the big 5/8ths that would be a huge drag on the having it tweaked like that. (Im full throttle well over 10 seconds on the straightaways)

I must use stock trailing arms and Ford 9'' is OK.

Now here is something I have never seen actually done, but I heard the old timers did this back in the day.
And that is I want to take a 1940's Ford 9 which actually bolts the 2 halves of the rear (the first version of the Quick-Change, but it is STOCK and would be really nice for changin gears from big to small track) And it will fit better than the Ford 9 truck rear where the wheels stick out past the fenders. Not only is this rear end come stock with 5.13 gears and 4.71 gears, but its heavier and will increase my rear weight %.

I also was thinking of switching the rear drum brakes to the disc, but I am not allowed to run a bias adjuster, so would it be worth it to convert to disc?

Are these all good ideas or am I out of my mind??

Im still a rookie trying to understand all the set-up stuff so any information would be greatly appreciated from all the cagy veterans

Any suggestions and feedback would be really appreciated! THANK YOU!

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Jonathon R. Huston
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ryan
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posted October 29, 2005 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ryan   Click Here to Email ryan     send a private message to ryan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having a heavy rearend will give you more unsprung weight which is not good.

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STREET16
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posted October 29, 2005 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STREET16   Click Here to Email STREET16     send a private message to STREET16   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, don't go with the old style rear! Use the later one. Mount it in square. To get rear steer, take the lower control arm for the right rear and drill 6 1/4" holes in the rubber of one of the bushings. This will allow the right rear wheel to move rearward under braking - making the car looser on entry, and allow it to move forward under acceleration - making the car tighter coming off the turn. You can increase the effect by doing both bushings and even further by putting neoprene bushings in the left rear lower conrtol arm. The nice thing about this, if you don't like it, it's cheap and real easy to undo - just replace the bushings.

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Spi-nex
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posted October 29, 2005 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand what you are saying.

How much travel will the rear have by doing this? Will the bushings have to be replaced often? Do I drill the hole in any ole pattern or equally spaced right in the middle?

Thank You for the tip,,,I never thought travel was possible in the rear with stock stuff.

Im a very low budget racer so everything is helpful.

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STREET16
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posted October 29, 2005 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STREET16   Click Here to Email STREET16     send a private message to STREET16   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did 6 evenly spaced on just one of the right rear bushings and liked it so much that I never went any further. The bushing lasted a full season - 20 races. This is an old "old school" trick that has been around forever. I think I heard about it from Sleepy Gomez. I think he's writing for Stock Car Racing Magazine now, and he's a really good source for some tips that wont break the bank. I don't know how much travel you will get, but it will make a difference.

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Spi-nex
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posted October 29, 2005 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome. Thanks again, and I will try that tip out for next year.

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Spi-nex
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posted October 29, 2005 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I don't quite understand how drilling the holes allowes the rear to move because the bushing is still intact. So do I have to enlarge the hole on the trailing arm or what?

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wermm
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posted October 29, 2005 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wermm   Click Here to Email wermm     send a private message to wermm   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
drilling the holes in the side of the bushing next to the sleeve will soften the rubber allowing movement under braking and accel. you do have to keep an eye on them as they will wear out faster but you should get a full season. Street16 is saying to do this on the right side? I did both bushings on the left in mine. On tape it looks like I'm getting about 1/2" of forward movement under power which losened the car up nicely

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STREET16
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posted October 30, 2005 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for STREET16   Click Here to Email STREET16     send a private message to STREET16   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spi-nex, I hope you understand what wermm said about drilling into the rubber part of the bushing to soften it up. Wermm, I did drill my right side. I think we must have different driving styles - I set the car for the turns while braking, ang my guess is that you set the car for the tuns while on the gas. My home track goes dry-slick every night. If you go into the turns on the gas you're going to skate to the top. It does bring up an important point, different driving styles = different chassis set-ups.

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Spi-nex
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posted October 30, 2005 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I got ya, just softening the bushing up so it doesnt hol the rear in place as well, I understand what your saying now.

Thanks for the information guys I really appreciate it!

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bobaluuu
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posted October 30, 2005 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobaluuu   Click Here to Email bobaluuu     send a private message to bobaluuu   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Now I heard that turning the rear end would help with side-bite and turning into the turn, but on the big 5/8ths that would be a huge drag on the having it tweaked like that. (Im full throttle well over 10 seconds on the straightaways)" ---------------------------------------------------pardner theres some smoke in this woodpile 10 seconds full throttle in the straights?

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Spi-nex
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posted October 30, 2005 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, there is some smoke, but you are full throttle for a long time, more like 7.5 seconds on the straight, but it sure feels like 10 seconds while in the car.
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What do you guys recomend for Caster and Camber for a fairly high banked 5/8th mile track with tight turns?

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Normal Sullivan
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posted October 31, 2005 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Normal Sullivan     send a private message to Normal Sullivan   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pardner theres some smoke in this woodpile 10 seconds full throttle in the straights? ----------------------------------------------

I had a car that slow once.

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Spi-nex
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posted November 01, 2005 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well excuse me for being so slow. Not only was this my first season I didn't really know what I was doing when I built the car and all I had in that car was a 305,,,so yea. Thats why Im here asking question trying to be faster!

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ratracer10
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posted November 01, 2005 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ratracer10     send a private message to ratracer10   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spi-nex, donít take it personal, I doubt that most of these guys on here have even seen a track with as much straightaway as you run on. That 5/8 mile paperclip track is almost like running two drag races (somewhere in between a 1/8 mile drag and a 1/4 mile drag) every lap.

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Spi-nex
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posted November 01, 2005 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't take it personel, just kinda frustraing when most guys don't have a clue about the monsterous beast that is Hartford Speedway.

Hopefully I can be faster next year with the help these guys have been given me

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Spi-nex
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posted November 01, 2005 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spi-nex   Click Here to Email Spi-nex     send a private message to Spi-nex   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RatRacer10, please check your PM.

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